Wednesday, December 5, 2012

B.C. Liberals close gap, but NDP still heavily favoured

A new poll by Ipsos-Reid was released last night, nudging the projection in the B.C. Liberals' favour by a small degree. The poll, which put the gap between the Liberals and the New Democrats at 13 points, results in the forecast now giving the NDP a 91.7% chance of winning the popular vote on May 14, down from the 95.7% chance forecasted as of Nov. 21. In other words, the odds of a victory by Christy Clark have been reduced from 20 to 1 to about 10 to 1.

But the projected support for the New Democrats has hardly moved at all, dropping 0.2 points to 48.5% and two seats to 60, still well above the 43 needed for a majority. In fact, the current seat projection range (50 to 71 seats) still puts the NDP entirely in majority territory. This is part of the reason why, if an election had been held Nov. 30, the New Democrats would still have had a 97.6% chance of winning it outright.

The Liberals picked up 3.4 points in the projection and now stand at 33.1% and 24 seats, but their high projected seat range of 34 still puts them only as the Official Opposition. The forecasted vote range, however, now overlaps with the New Democrats', at 46.1% forecasted high for the Liberals to a 44.5% forecasted low for the NDP.

The New Democrats and Liberals are the only two parties likely to be represented in the legislature, as the Conservatives are no longer considered in play in any ridings. Their forecasted high has dropped from 23 to 13 seats, even under a best case scenario. Their support has dropped 2.3 points to 10.5% in the projection. The Greens are also down by 0.9 points to 6.1%.

Regionally, the New Democrats were up in Metro Vancouver (47% support) and in the Interior and North (45.9%), but were down on Vancouver Island to 54.1% support. The Liberals were up in every region, but do not overlap with the NDP anywhere in the projected ranges. Their current projected results sit at 34.9% in Vancouver, 29.1% on Vancouver Island, and 33.6% in the Interior and North.
As to the Ipsos-Reid poll itself, the firm was last in the field Sept. 11-18 and since then the New Democrats were down one point to 48%, still giving them a wide lead over the Liberals. They were up three points to 35%, while the Conservatives were down three points to 9% (a statistically significant slip). The Greens were up one to 7%.

The recent Angus-Reid poll shows a similar trend. It was in the field about a week before Ipsos-Reid's, and they also had a poll from early September (Sept. 10-11). Their shifts over that period but the NDP up one, the Liberals up four, and the Conservatives down seven points. It is clear that the Liberals are making gains entirely on the backs of the Conservatives. This is good for them in the sense that it puts the Liberals closer to the NDP, but even if every Conservative voter swings to the Liberals the New Democrats would still hold a four-point edge in the polling.

But there are some odd demographic variations in the numbers. The Liberals actually hold a two-point advantage among men but trail among women by 29 points. That is enormous. The New Democrats also hold a wide lead (54% to 37%) among voters aged 55 and older - a cohort that turns out in big numbers.

Not all is bad news for Clark, however. Some 59% of the people still consider the economy to be in good or very good shape, and 46% think the province is headed strongly or somewhat in the right direction (42% think it is headed the other way). While those are good fundamentals for Clark and the Liberals, the party still trails the NDP by a wide margin and Clark herself polls very poorly at a personal level.

For example, Adrian Dix is chosen as the best person to be Premier by 39% (+4 since Ipsos's last poll) while Clark is chosen by 23%. If we take the undecideds and "none of the aboves" out of the equation, however, Dix's numbers improve to 54% to 32% for Clark. This suggests that Clark is dragging down the Liberals' vote while Dix has the potential to pull it up.

Their relative approval ratings also indicate that Dix is a net positive for his party. His approval rating stands at 53% (+2) with 34% disapproving of him. That is almost the mirror image of Clark's numbers: 34% approval to 59% disapproval. Of more concern for Clark should be the proportion who strongly disapprove of her: 35%, compared to only 17% for Dix. And Dix has 16% who strongly approve of him, compared to only 5% for Clark.

Note that I have added a tracking chart with a rolling average for leaders' scores on Best Premier and approval ratings to the B.C. projection page.

But Clark seems to be out of the woods in terms of being swamped by John Cummins of the Conservatives. Only 7% chose him as the best person to be Premier and his approval rating plummeted 10 points to only 13%, with his disapproval soaring 11 points to 51%. Fully 30%, or almost one-in-three British Columbians, strongly disapprove of him. Cummins might have been a good fall back option if Clark stumbled on the campaign trail, but he is becoming somewhat toxic for his party (though the party itself might share in the blame as well).

The odds of an NDP landslide are diminishing and the race could become a lot closer, particularly if the Conservative vote continues to drop. But there is not much time left for Clark to make this a truly competitive race.


  1. I think the BC Conservative vote has more or less hit its floor at 9%. If they run a full slate of candidates - that is about what they will get. There are at least 9% of BCers who are far right Christian conservatives etc... and in the 20-odd ridings where the BC Conservatives had candidates last time - they typically got in high single digits.

    I think its actually good for the NDP if people think the economy is doing somewhat well. The BC economy was booming when the Barrett won big against Wacky Bennett in 1972. Similarly the Canadian economy was doing well when Harper defeated Paul Martin in 2006 - sometimes when people feel sanguine about the economy they are more willing to throw a stale, corrupt government that has been in power too long.

    1. Kinda like in Saskatchewan with the NDP, right DL? I noticed you skipped over them. ;D

      I agree though, I think 9-10%ish would be where the BC Cons bottom out, *if* they run a full slate AND don't collapse completely in the meantime. Both are big possibilities.

      At this point I feel like the Liberals need to get the focus off of Cummins and the Conservatives, and focus on stealing back some of those NDP supporters. Even if they can't win all of them back, getting themselves up to 40% or higher would keep the Liberals from being buried in a tide of orange. Question is, can they convince those supporters to come back? Hm.

    2. DL,

      I am unsure how you can call the Government corrupt when as yet nothing has been proven. In this country if we follow the rule of law a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty! When a court action was launched it was dismissed with a settlement paid to the defendants (whether the settlement should have been paid is a separate matter).

      Frankly, you are engaging in "dirty attack ad politics". Such a strategy only encourages people to bring up Adrian Dix's past. As I am sure you are aware that include falsifying documents relating to a corruption investigation!

      Or how about the Nanaimo Commonwealth Bingo Scandal where the NDP (supposedly the party of the workingman and poor)thieved money from charity in order to replenish their own coffers.

      I am all for vigourous debate but, when writing statements that impunge upon a person or organisations reputation you better have proof!

    3. That seems to be a mis-characterization of the Bingo Scandal. Here is what CBC reported back in 1999:

    4. Eric,

      From the article:
      "Democrat Publications Limited has pleaded guilty to two charges of running a lottery without making the required donations to charity".

    5. Yes, but if I read the article correctly there was no "thieving" from a charity, since the charity never existed at all.

    6. There was thieving from charity donations. Therefore there was thieving from charity, not a charity. It is an important distinction to be made. I believe my original post makes the proper reference by stating "thieved money from charity".

      In any case I would like these unsubstantiated attacks (against all political parties) to stop.

      From my reading of this blog "DL" frequently makes these accusations without proof as do others. I don't want to limit discussion but, without some regulations we'll all become involved in a nasty written slugfest that nobody wants.


  2. There seems to be something of a divide in the polling between Ipsos and the other pollsters. Ipsos' two polls in the projection both have the Liberals above 30. They are the only pollster to do so since March, and have consistently had the Liberals higher than other polls with similar field-dates.

    Do you have any insight into what's going on with that, Eric? Is Ipsos using a different methodology than the others?

  3. I could be mistaken, but it looks like you're using the by-elections as the base line for those ridings, without taking to account where the provincial parties were at the time of that byelection...


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