Thursday, March 11, 2010

New EKOS Poll: 2.3-pt Conservative Lead

Another EKOS poll shows the major parties are as limp as (insert your own off-colour joke).Compared to EKOS's poll last week, this marks a loss of 0.5 points for the Conservatives (31.9%), a 0.2 point gain for the Liberals (29.6%), a 0.8 point gain for the NDP (16.0%), and a 0.5 point gain for the Greens (11.0%). Nationally, the Bloc is down 0.3 points (9.1%). The other parties get 2.4%. The margin of error is 2.0.

These are weak numbers for both the Liberals and the Tories, and even the NDP. No party would go to an election with any certainty with these kinds of numbers. While all changes are within the MOE, this does indicate that the Conservatives are just as road-blocked as the Liberals. As the EKOS analysis says, the budget hasn't budged the numbers.

In Ontario, the Liberals have a weak lead with 35.2% to the Conservatives' 33.4%. The NDP is at 17.9%, up about four points (MOE 3.5). A good result for them.

In Quebec, the Bloc is still comfortably ahead with 36.5%. The Liberals are up five points to 27.4% (MOE 4.3). The Conservatives remain stagnant at 16.0%.

In British Columbia, the Tories make a big jump of about seven points to reach 36.4% (MOE 5.4). The Liberals lose those seven points, and are at 21.9%. They still hold a lead over the NDP at 21.2%.

No variations in the Prairies and Atlantic Canada are larger than the MOE, but in Alberta the Conservatives have dropped 10 points (MOE 6.3) to 50.2% while the NDP is up 8 to 13.0%. The Liberals continue to show strength with 21.9%.

No changes in the cities are larger than the MOE, which ranges between 6.5 and 9.0. But, the Conservatives have the lead in Vancouver and Ottawa, while the Liberals are well ahead in Toronto and making a race of it with the Bloc in Montreal.

The Conservatives would win 68 seats in the West, 39 in Ontario, 6 in Quebec, and 9 in Atlantic Canada for a total of 122.

The Liberals win 18 in the West, 50 in Ontario, 19 in Quebec, and 20 in Atlantic Canada for a total of 107.

The Bloc wins 50 seats in Quebec.

The NDP wins 9 in the West, 17 in Ontario, and 3 in Atlantic Canada for a total of 29.

This minority would be weaker than the one Stephen Harper won in 2006. So, who knows what kind of government would come out of it.

A boring poll that confirms a less boring reality: it's a close race, but no one is showing any real strength.

69 comments:

  1. I predict a period of probably a month before we see anything approaching a trend.

    Why? Got no real idea. Unless it's a reaction to the prorogue though that's probably stretching for it.

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  2. Éric: This minority would be weaker than the one Stephen Harper won in 2006. So, who knows what kind of government would come out of it.

    One in which the parties know how to share the playpen, and not before time. We all should get used to the idea.

    I'm now thinking that the odds of a fall election are very good. Three opposition parties are required to defeat the government, and normally at least one of those would see some losses in the polls. Perhaps that's decreasing as a disincentive.

    None of the opposition parties like the Tories, but the Grits, Dippers and Bloc are capable of working together. This doesn't mean as a coalition, any more than the current government has a coalition; it just means cooperating to pass good legislation and avoid egregious legislation.

    No opposition party needs a majority for this or even a plurality. After the next election, it doesn't matter whether the Grits or Tories have more seats; if the Tories get a plurality but not a majority they will immediately face a non-confidence vote, followed by an offer from Ignatieff to the GG to form a government. Hot on the heels of an election, that would be an offer she couldn't refuse.

    Constitutionally, this is exactly the way our system works. Harper will undoubtedly rage on the hustings about the danger of separatist socialists combining with socialist separatists in an unholy alliance with liberals, but only his base will be energized. The other parties need to send a simple, unambiguous message: no coalition. In the end, the election results will probably look like Éric's current projections with a Green or three thrown in for flavour.

    The NDP faces the greatest risk here. If the Liberals, Bloc and Greens add up to a majority the Dippers lose their absolute handle on the lever of power. However, Commons votes aren't everything; they would still serve on committees and in a crunch, they could force other parties to enforce a rigorous whip. In practice, the NDP would have far more power to influence legislation than they do today because the Liberals would actually listen to them. That's their worst case. The best case is far better for them than status quo.

    Plan on a fall election.

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  3. I noticed looking at the daily numbers last week and this week that the Tories had a very good night on March 2 which was the last day of the poll from last week and they had a very good night on March 3 which was the first day of polling for this weeks numbers. Since then they have fallen back to being dead even with the Liberals. I guess the so-called Olympic/Throne speech bounce lasted a grand total of 48 hours.

    Since that time, the political news has been totally dominated by the detainee scandal, changing the words of O Canada and Jaffer-gate - all bad news cycles for the Tories.

    I say bring on the election - and there is an obvious "ballot question" - do you approve or disapprove of the conduct of Helena Guergis and Rahim Jaffer? - if you approve vote Tory. If you disapprove - we have a selection of other parties to vote for.

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  4. DL,

    Your "ballot question" is a joke.

    I guess the Dippers have little else to offer.

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  5. Here's another "ballot question",

    "If you approve of Iggys eyebrow grooming vote, for a coalition. If not, vote Conservative"

    This is a pressing issue with the Canadian public. I'm sure of it.

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  6. Now we know who to make Tories go berserk just keep repeating "Rahim Jaffer, Rahim Jaffer, Helena Guergis, Helena Guergis, Rahim Jaffer.....".

    From now on the canned response to all the carefully crafted Tory talking points is to be "Rahim Jaffer! Rahim Jaffer!"

    Enjoy

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  7. DL I believe that AJR79 was laughing at your assertion, not getting upset by it.

    Huge issues to deal with and you want to have an election campaign over a bratty power couple ?

    New ballot question:

    Do you approve of Jack Layton mugging for the cameras during the men's gold hockey game ?

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  8. Shadow,

    Crosby's hockey stick was found.

    As for Ignatieff's spine?

    Don't have an answer for you on that one.

    Cheers

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  9. My response is "Rahim Jaffer, Helena Guergis" just read about these two and they will tell you everything you needed to know about the Tory attitudes of entitlement and contempt for ordinary Canadians.

    What i can't understand is why Harper keeps sticking up for these two monstrous human beings (not to mention Rob "Nelson Mandela is a terrorist" Anders). Anyone else would throw those turds under a bus and want nothing more to do with them and declare them to be a disgrace to Canada and to the Conservative party. I can only imagine that must each know something really nasty and incriminating about Harper and that's why he won't lift a finger to discipline them.

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  10. DL,

    I won't be defending either of them.

    I'm on the record here, two threads ago, that the Jaffer thing is a disgrace, and needs some explaination
    (by the Ontario AG mostly)

    Shadow is correct.

    I was mocking what you thought worthy, of being a "ballot question".

    It's all in good fun thou
    :)

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  11. So the budget did it's job. There was really no way for the budget to move the numbers in a way that benefit the Conservatives. The economy isn't strong, the deficit is huge, and they abandoned their core principles last year with that huge stimulus package. Really, that they managed to produce a budget that will both pass and not hurt them politically is amazing.

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  12. I'm no fan of Rob Anders (I used to work for him - the man is crazy), but he was right about Nelson Mandela.

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  13. Here's an interesting idea from the PMO.

    You Tube feedback on the throne speech?

    I say move forward.

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  14. Its actually quite easy to come up with a budget that passes and does no harm politically. Its called doing NOTHING and postponing any tough decisions to "somewhere over the rainbow"

    BTW: I am not accusing the Tories of "fixing" anything for Jaffer. I'm just shocked that for a party which usually never misses an opportunity to make gratuitous comments about criminal cases just to bolster their "tough on crime" line - this time they were strangely silent. I don't understand why Harper wasn't prepared for the Jaffer verdict and simply denounced the verdict and said that Jaffer should have had a stiffer punishment. That's what he does in every other case - why not this time? Is it because he's afarid of upsetting Jaffer wife, the brain dead bobble head whose only purpose in life is to sit behind Harper in Parliament and do her Barbie doll routine?

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  15. DL,

    You're starting to sound a bit sexist there.

    Are you sure you're a Dipper?

    As far as our government speaking out all the time, on cases like Jaffers...

    I don't recall the strong condemnation of the DUI charges being dropped against Corporal Benjamin Robinson of the RCMP, and he killed someone! (at least one)

    It's the Ontario, and BC govts. that should be answering for our two-tiered justice system.

    Maybe the Feds should step in to prevent this sort of travesty of justice, but I don't think that their juristiction.

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  16. AJR79,

    I think DL represents the NDP rather well on matters that are important to them.
    The NDP tough on crime bandwagon approach is great!
    Funding for special interest NGO's is also a great vote winner!

    The Nanos Recap Oct 15, 2008 gives me confidence in a larger win next time.

    The lack of real alternatives, policies being introduced inside parliament for publicity stunts only reinforces it.

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  17. DL: Now we know who to make Tories go berserk just keep repeating "Rahim Jaffer, Rahim Jaffer, Helena Guergis, Helena Guergis, Rahim Jaffer.....".

    The interesting thing is that the Conservatives benefit from the Jaffer affair and even his wife's tantrum.

    Why? Because they're distractions, just like changing the anthem. We're in an odd situation where the Tories want to be challenged on the budget as well, since attacking it is like punching a wall of cotton candy.

    The vital issue today is the attack on the foundations of our system of government: withholding documents from Parliament. This is so serious that the underlying motives are secondary, even though they may turn out to be ugly when the truth comes to light.

    Anything that draws attention away from this--look, shiny YouTube video!--is part of the misdirection game. Don't be fooled. Our democracy is too important.

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  18. What's sexist is the Tory attitude towards women in politics - which is essentially - let's dig up a couple of ex-beauty pageant contestants who have the brains of a retarded mosquito and give them safe ridings and cabinet seats so they can sit behind Harper during question period and smile at the cameras - Silvio Berlusconi would be proud.

    I like to see women advance in politics because of their abilities - not because they have "big hair" and make a nice back drop to the men.

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  19. Well said, John. We're starting to see a lot of talk about this 'misdirection' strategy.

    I think it works when the media is only giving a small amount of time to politics.

    In a campaign, when the maximum amount of people are paying attention and politics gets the maximum amount of coverage, this sort of strategy could backfire.

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  20. Speculation about the Jaffer trial is that the police made some mistakes in their strip search of Jaffer. If the evidence won't hold up in court, you don't prosecute. The Crown was a Liberal appointee provincially. The Crown made the decision not to prosecute on the impaired and drug charges, not the judge. It is sad to see someone get off on an impaired driving charge.

    Sadly, I notice that DL and others both in Parliament and media are now looking at who appointed specific judges. One of the many advantages of our judicial system is that appointments are for life or until retirement. Once appointed, one is supposed to lose their political bearing and act and rule neutrally. If we want an American system, we are getting there by questioning the rulings of judges based on which party appointed them. I do not want an American style judicial system.

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  21. Svend Robinson is an outrage!

    Tony Ianno is an outrage!

    Oh look I just dug up an NDP MP who got off easy and a Liberal MP who's being investigated for insider trading.

    Jaffer's case has nothing to do with the Tories.

    It speaks to the fact that wealthy people can afford good lawyers who tend to get them off lightly, regardless of party.

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  22. Kevin Page was brutalized by the reality of 5% annualized GDP growth in Q4.

    Flaherty, of course, came out on top because his predictions were more optimistic then Page's.

    Now RBC is predicting 3.1% growth this year. Flaherty is budgeting on a 2.6% which Page came out today and said is too optimistic.

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100311/economy_growth_100311/20100311?hub=TopStoriesV2


    Is Kevin Page about to suffer another embarrasingly bad setback to his credibility ??

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  23. Earl: If we want an American system, we are getting there by questioning the rulings of judges based on which party appointed them. I do not want an American style judicial system.

    Absolutely. In the last three decades I can think of one, perhaps two federally appointed judges who have behaved questionably at any time. I cannot recall a judge's decision ever being criticized as politically or even ideologically motivated, regardless of who made the appointment.

    I can't think of another profession in this country with that track record. Our federal bench is that last thing that needs "fixing" in our system.

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  24. John

    I agree our democracy it too important to be left in the hands of 308 MP's.

    I amd interested in casting a ballot and reminding the circus clowns in Ottawa those games have a price.

    Ekos Poll results are very clear.

    Why do you think they won't risk an election? Did you see the numbers of voters from other parties who believe the Government are moving in the right direction?

    37% LPOC voters.

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  25. Earl,

    the judge did not get a chance?

    The prosecution folded like a cheap suit with blame on the arrest.

    Everyone is pointing fingers at each other.

    I applaud the NDP who want to hug terroists but crucify a former CPC from Alberta who was out of politics at the time.

    Perhaps if he had attacked the our soldiers, Nato, women they would be more supportive or at least turned a blind eye.

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  26. Shadow: Is Kevin Page about to suffer another embarrasingly bad setback to his credibility ??

    This is another attempt to change the channel from the detainee scandal. But this one's particularly amusing since it attacks an appointee of the current government who has been far more accurate than those who appointed him.

    Exercise for the reader: plot Flaherty's budget predictions over time against actual numbers. Compare and contrast to Page's record.

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  27. Kevin Page is free to support raising of the GST and other Liberal ideas to balance the books.

    Kevin is also correct in noting the spending in the largest areas took place in transfers to the provinces where the Liberals gutted.

    Health, Education and Social Services.

    The CPC are not as heartless the the Liberals in the 90's to punish the most vulnerable.

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  28. John,

    I guess we could ignore everything else in the world, and focus like a laser beam, on these redacted documents.

    I thought having the judge look them over, would have taken some steam out of the issue.

    We've already had hundreds of comments here on those documents.
    It's not like it's slipping under the radar.

    IMO The state of our justice system is just as, if not more, important to the integrity of this country, as any parliamentary privlege.

    Earl and Shadow seem to be well informed, and a good tag team on the issue.
    (Thou they might not admit it)

    I'm sure if you have some new information, or points, that they would be happy to answer them for you.

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  29. John i'm specifically pointing this out to criticize the notion that Page is always right and Flaherty is always wrong.

    Page tends to be a bear, Flaherty tends to be a bull.

    Going into the recession Page lucked out because the results were far more grim than anyone realized (even Page himself).

    Coming out of it Flaherty is the lucky one because the results are far more optimistic than anyone realizes.


    IN reality economic predictions are relatively worthless. 5 year projections are a joke !

    If you had a crystal ball that told you where the economy was heading you'd be richer than Warren Buffet.

    This Page vs Flaherty narrative the media and opposition are pushing is tiresome and uninformed.

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  30. Apparently Laurie Hawn was agitating for an investigation into the Liberals handling of the detainee scandal.

    When the day is done I think a clear picture is going to emerge:

    A Liberal party that dropped the ball and left a big mess for the CPC to clean up.

    Certainly fits reality better than the fiction the deranged left is pushing, which is that Harper is a war criminal who ordered the torture of Afghans.

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  31. I wonder how many phone calls the PMO and other conservatives made to free one of their own? Well, two of their own actually if you include the potential terrorist activity of trying to break through security at an airport.

    Gotta love the lengths to which conservatives pretend, as usual, that there was nothing wrong with this, and that the real issue is the "liberal media".

    So much for get tough on crime... The sheer hypocriscy displayed by the conservatives and their sheep on this matter, and, well, everything in general, is astounding.

    The conservative motto - Do as I say, not as I do.

    Expect the cons to prorouge parliament again before an investigation into the extent of political interference is completed on these criminal matters.

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  32. I hope there is a full inquiry that shows that BOTH the Liberals and Tories messed up the Afghan detainee file - then the NDP will benefit!

    BTW: My complements to the Liberals today for comparing Jaffer and Guergis to Bonnie and Clyde. Why didn't I think of that??

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  33. Josh your arrogance really is nauseating. The case was dealt with exclusively by PROVINCIAL AUTHORITIES!

    The Crown who made the decision not to prosecute was a Liberal, not that that makes any difference.

    Tony Bryant will likely not be found guilty either. From what I have read he shouldn't be.

    In this case the police are to blame. Somewhere they made mistakes that weakened the Crowns case. For you to come on here and cry political interference is wrong unless you know something none of the rest of us do. It undermines confidence in our justice system.

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  34. Speculation about the Jaffer trial is that the police made some mistakes in their strip search of Jaffer.
    The female arresting officer did a strip search?

    Once appointed, one is supposed to lose their political bearing and act and rule neutrally.
    That is why I support the appointed Senate. We've fallen into the same habit we see in the US, of referring to any Senator along with the party of the PM who appointed them. Some Senators definitely are party hacks, but many are not.

    I applaud the NDP who want to hug terroists but crucify a former CPC from Alberta who was out of politics at the time.
    Crucify? Your party is simply being mocked for claiming to be the "law and order" people while everyone else isn't, yet an anti-drug crusader from your party is busted and then gets off and they're fine with that. It's not about whether Jaffer should have had the book thrown at him, it is your own hypocrisy.


    Harper is a war criminal who ordered the torture of Afghan.
    I don't think you'll be allowed to renew your CPC membership with statements like that. Oh, you didn't actually say that as quoted? Well, nobody else did either.


    If Canada was pro-torture, Jaffer would have been tortured to reveal his dealer (note that is a joke). But with regard to the verdict, it seems some are trying to make it out to be the bad Liberals being soft on crime. When in reality it is a matter of the fact we have due process, and if the rules were not followed, we don't just convict anyway.

    BTW: My complements to the Liberals today for comparing Jaffer and Guergis to Bonnie and Clyde.
    That's the kind of teasing I think should be all this amounts to.

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  35. Lib Supporter. No-one that Ive read here is trying to say the Jaffer mess shows the Liberals are soft on crime. It shows nothing except somehow the police bungled the affair. That is it. I wish we had details. In our system details are never provided until memoirs are written. BTW no-one in CPC circles or here is happy with what happened other than say HG.

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  36. Incidentally, this Ekos poll continues the trend of the remarkably stable Liberal numbers.

    This is the 11th consecutive poll, by any pollster, to show Liberal support in the 29-31 range (and that 31 actually looks high). Note:

    30.0 - Angus Reid, Feb 13
    30.0 - Harris-Decima, Feb 14
    29.0 - Ekos, Feb 16
    29.0 - Ipsos Reid, Feb 22
    30.3 - Ekos, Feb 23
    30.0 - Environics, Feb 24
    29.0 - Angus Reid, Feb 26
    31.0 - Harris-Decima, Feb 28
    29.4 - Ekos, Mar 2
    29.0 - Harris-Decima, Mar 7
    29.6 - Ekos, Mar 9

    We might have uncertainty about the support levels for some parties, but with the Liberals I think we know it almost exactly.

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  37. Earl,

    Conservatives have made quite a sport of calling ALL the opposition parties soft on crime.

    If you dare to question any component of their crime bills, what do you get.

    YOU ARE SOFT ON CRIME

    Now if the proper procedure was not followed for Jaffer, then yes the proper thing was done, in his case.

    However, just pointing out hypocrisy is just poking a little bit of fun at the conservatives.

    I mean even Jaffer railed against what he considered to be soft on crime liberal judges, and a soft on crime liberal justice system.

    He even ran a tough on drugs campaign.

    That's why people are mocking the conservatives.

    That is it for me, I will now stop.

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  38. Good read on Jaffer case:

    http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/03/11/david-asper-jaffer-attacks-misplaced.aspx

    49:

    jaffer appears to a hyprocrit. He's not an MP now nor was he when he committed any alleged offences. Poke fun all you want. Tories are as outraged as Liberals, to say nothing of the NDP. Sorry I'm a terrible speller.

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  39. Earl,

    I know you are an honest straight shooter.

    Not all conservatives are outraged.

    In fact quite a few of them have dismissed this completely.

    They are constantly railing against what they perceive to be leniency in our justice system.

    Now let's just say that had been a former liberal MP yesterday?

    They would have had their knickers in a knot.

    Hell we even have a moonbeam on here dismissing it, and accusing the NDP of hugging terrorists.

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  40. 49 I'm sure there are Conservatives who are not unhappy with the results Mr. Jaffer received. They are wrong unless there is something amiss. given the publicly known facts the results are a farce. That's my position. Thanks for your respect.

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  41. 49

    You have repeatedly taken cheapshots after crying uncle. Take your own advice.

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  42. Outraged?? nah. Unhappy with the sentencing sure.

    But then it seems to fall in line with alot of the rest of sentencing out there.

    So I am wondering who the bigger hypocrites are tho... The tough on crime people who aren't noticing (or speaking)??? or the people that think the justice system runs just fine.... except for maybe a sentence here or there when its someone they don't agree with.

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  43. Earl,

    I alway's have respect for you.

    You are an honest straight shooter.

    I know that Jaffer does not sit well with you.

    Perhaps some of those conservative crime bills need a rethink?

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  44. Earl,

    I alway's have respect for you.

    You are an honest straight shooter.

    I know Jaffer does not sit well with you.

    Perhaps now conservatives can see some of the nonsense in their crime bills.

    Perhaps they need a rethink?

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  45. Shadow:
    "A Liberal party that dropped the ball and left a big mess for the CPC to clean up.

    Certainly fits reality better than the fiction the deranged left is pushing, which is that Harper is a war criminal who ordered the torture of Afghans."

    Nice try, doesn't work as you well know from Colvin's testimony alone! Others including the Chief Of Defense agree. Try again for some accuracy.

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  46. Shadow:
    "Apparently Laurie Hawn was agitating for an investigation into the Liberals handling of the detainee scandal."

    And the new chairman of the Special Afghan Committee, a Tory, stomped all over Hawn. Read Kady O'Malley's blog !

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  47. Peter,

    It is a little inconvenient to point out to the conservatives, that the liberals have allready said that they are fine with an inquiry into detainee transfers, from the start of the mission in Afghanistan.

    The liberals say they have nothing to hide.

    What are the conservatives so afraid of?

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  48. 49

    "
    The liberals say they have nothing to hide."

    Indeed just what are the Conservatives so desperate to hide??

    The obvious is that things were far worse on their watch ??

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  49. The conservatives need to answer the following questions regarding the latest conservative-soft-on-crime scandals.

    Scandal 1:

    Slap on the wrist to conservative MP regarding drunk-driving - cocaine possesion.

    Scandal 2:

    Terrorist activity from a conservative MP trying to breach airport security.

    Who did the conservatives speak with in order to have the sentence in scandal 1 reduced to 'nothing'?

    What promises were made and to whom to have these charges dropped?

    Were there any conservative-brown-envelopes (a former conservative PM creation) handed to any sitting judges to have charges tossed?

    Would the terrorist activity be taken seriously if the person was not white for scandal 2?

    What phone calls were placed, when, and to whom, to have said terrorist activity tossed out so quickly??

    These questions need to be answered now. Otherwise the conservatives need to step down immediately.

    Why am I the only one brave enough to pose these questions??

    Why are conservative posters, such as Earl, so quick to dismiss these questions and shoot the messanger posing these tough questions?

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  50. DL:

    Your obvious bias is blatant. And you don't do your home work. Helena Guergis first won her riding by 100 votes in 2004. It wasn't a safe riding, the Liberal incumbent was expected to win. Get your facts right man or be quiet! Your NDP is not the tail wagging the dog. It's an after thought of Canadian Politics. MP's who sit and do little more than give sermon's from what they think is on high. They only thing they are high on is themselves!

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  51. DL:

    Your obvious bias is blatant. And you don't do your home work. Helena Guergis first won her riding by 100 votes in 2004. It wasn't a safe riding, the Liberal incumbent was expected to win. Get your facts right man or be quiet! Your NDP is not the tail wagging the dog. It's an after thought of Canadian Politics. MP's who sit and do little more than give sermon's from what they think is on high. They only thing they are high on is themselves!

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  52. Josh Said:


    "Why am I the only one brave enough to pose these questions??"

    Because you are a partisan hack.

    Why are conservative posters, such as Earl, so quick to dismiss these questions and shoot the messanger posing these tough questions?

    The question is why did a Crown chose not to prosecute. The Crown was appointed by the provincial government. A Liberal government, so if we want these questions answered we'd better ask why he/she buckled to pressure from Provincial Liberals.

    Josh, my opinion of you was inflated. I know now that you're a partisan attack dog. The Liberal's equivalent of a certain CPC supporter on this Board.

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  53. Conservatives ?

    Tough on crime.

    Liberals not so much.

    The Liberal AG of Ontario has a lot to answer for. At the very least Jaffer should have had to do some substantial community service.


    Helena Geurgis ?

    LOL! "Terrorist Activity".

    It would be funny if it wasn't so damn insulting to all the Canadians who died on Sept 11th.

    Geurgis yelled at someone. It was bad behaviour.

    She apologized. Good. Now let's move on.

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  54. You call that an apology?? She sent out a terse typed letter saying that she "acted emotionally". That was it.

    I think that a true apology would involve returning to PEI going to airport and personally apologizing to each of the people she tried to bully a humiliate and it should all be done on camera - then she should get on her hands and knees in front of the PEI legislature and tearfully implore the people of the province to forgive her and she should make a $100,000 donation to a local charity and then resign from cabinet and resign her seat so she can spend her time helping her husband get over his drug addiction.

    Then I would feel that she had done enough.

    Right now all she has said it "oops". Its not enough. She needs to grovel and she needs to be totally publicly humiliated.

    We need to set high standards for public figures like Guergis - just a terse sorry isn't enough.

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  55. Ok DL you're going off the deep end here.

    Yelling at somebody isn't a crime.

    And quite frankly i'm a little creeped out by your need to see Geurgis down on her knees grovelling and humiliated.

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  56. Earl,

    "MPs who sit and do little more than give sermons from what they think is on high. The only thing they are high on is themselves"

    Now sir you wouldn't be talking about the NDP now would you?

    Perfect and apt description.

    A pack of self righteous carnival barkers, who are irresponsible in parliament.

    They never have to take any responsibility in parliament for anything, because they know the liberals are the grown up party.

    If you really called Jack Layton's bluff, and voted non confidence on absoulutely everything, while I guess we would have an election every two months.

    AS for everybody else, we can all point to miscreants, in every party who behave badly.

    Stop defending them.

    If they do something wrong, they do something wrong, and should be held accountable for their actions.

    Regardless of their political stripe.

    Shadow, Tony Ianno is a FORMER liberal MP, not current.

    Buy hey what's snorting a little cocaine, and driving drunk (where he could have killed or maimed someone), compared to insider trading.

    And being part of a governmet, to help to make laws, to have his fellow citizens, locked up for quite a long time for what he did.

    That he himself got off on, only because of a technicality.

    Puts it all in perspective doesn't it.

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  57. No the 29 Liberals who refuse to vote against the budget they attack has given the Bloc and NDP are free pass to complain.

    The Bloc and NDP both found time to make admendments to the budget.

    The Liberals blew any remaining credibility, by sucking and blowing

    "Locked doors" perogies, than 29 Liberal MP's fail to show up and vote against the budget.

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  58. The charges against Ianno are interesting. For years there were rumours about him being a crook and being involved in shady dealings and it was always unclear just what his profession was apart from being a perenial Liberal candidate. Now at last it seems like the chickens are coming home to roost and who knows what other revelations there will be about his secret trust funds etc...If Ianno goes to jail, I wonder what this will mean for his wife who ran for the Liberals last time and lost to Olivia Chow and who is nominated to run again?

    I've always found it odd that the Liberals keep nominating such grade Z candidates in a seat that is right in the middle of downtown Toronto and includes the University. But i won't look a gifthorse in the mouth.

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  59. Hey DL the NDP has to answer for Svend Robinson. Every party has their nuts.

    The problem is the soft on crime Liberals.

    Why does the LIBERAL introduced charter make it so easy for people to get off on certain kinds of charges ? Like Trudeau I believe.

    And why did the LIBERAL AG of Ontario not insist on community service as part of Jaffer's plea ?

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  60. The Charter has jack all to do with Jaffer's deal.

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  61. Can we all stop the flame wars please.

    Sane discussion is far more likely to reach a reasonable consensus.

    Let's drop the "talking points" and ridiculous "spin" that's been here of late.

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  62. Shadow, I'd rather the law err on the side of going what you would call 'easy' (false negatives) than err on the side of locking up innocents or giving the police abusive powers (false positives).

    As a Canadian, I'm thankful we have a Charter which helps safeguard our freedom.

    You know, freedom; that thing our soldiers are trying to defend in Afghanistan.

    Are you against freedom? Are you against our men and women in uniform??

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  63. p.s. Apologies if my post comes across as overly sarcastic; that's not my goal. I'm just trying to mirror the twisted logic that hyper-partisans often use (and not just Conservatives, of course ... but since they've formed the government a.t.m., they're who I'll target the most.)

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  64. What we know is that Jaffer's druge charges were dropped because of violations of the Liberal Charter.

    I'm guessing an improper search.

    Quite frankly when you are pulled over for reckless driving and are over the legal limit for alochol everything you have, including your car should be searchable.

    NO charter protections, no search warrant required.

    You break the law using a vehicle and you're essentially turning it into a weapon.

    Your person and your vehicle should not have charter protections against searches.

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  65. Let me specify when I said "everything you have".

    I don't mean your house. I mean everything you have on, everything you have with you at the time, and everything in your vehicle including inside luggage, sealed boxes, and glove compartments.

    I believe the standard now is that only things within plain view are considered searchable.

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  66. 49

    Seems Shadow isn't getting the message.

    How about a poll for removal??

    I vote YES

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  67. Peter,

    It is obvious that Shadow has no respect for the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

    SK, summed it up pretty well.

    The charter is our protection.

    I need not elaborate, I am sure you any many others know about the value of our charter.

    It is one of the greatest legacies of the liberal party, whether Shadow thinks so or not.

    There just might come a day in the life of Shadow, that he will be glad that charter is in existence.

    I know how highly I value it.

    Please don't stop coming here, and keep putting your points across.

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  68. Will you please stop filling my inbox with these childish comments?

    You're going to force me to put the comments on moderated status. Shadow, CS, 49 Steps, Peter - you're all just stirring the pot for the sake of stirring the pot.

    Please stop.

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